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		By: Bob Stephenson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Stephenson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I replaced perfectly good factory ( quieter) pipes on my motorcycle for one reason only , safety!!! I don&#039;t like the loader noise but the fact is ,the noise saves lives..... mine included. The problem is that many people do not give the mototrcyclist the proper respect out on the highways....and then there are those idiots who text and think that their car is a phone booth for cell phones. Put some money into developing cars that won&#039;t run when texting or talking on the cell phone ,and I will put my factory exhausts back on tomorrow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I replaced perfectly good factory ( quieter) pipes on my motorcycle for one reason only , safety!!! I don&#8217;t like the loader noise but the fact is ,the noise saves lives&#8230;.. mine included. The problem is that many people do not give the mototrcyclist the proper respect out on the highways&#8230;.and then there are those idiots who text and think that their car is a phone booth for cell phones. Put some money into developing cars that won&#8217;t run when texting or talking on the cell phone ,and I will put my factory exhausts back on tomorrow.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://bikerlawblog.com/no-more-after-market-pipes-in-california-in-2013-we-did-it-to-ourselves/#comment-5494</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What starts in California will most certainly make its way east. We have pockets of similar laws enacted by the tourist towns and cities in New England. We have managed to defeat them but the writing is on the wall. 

I am interested in knowing if this law is going to be challenged and if so, who the driving forces are going to be. I&#039;d like to monitor their progress and possibly assist if needed. 

Best regards. 

Excellent reading always here!

Paul Lancia]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What starts in California will most certainly make its way east. We have pockets of similar laws enacted by the tourist towns and cities in New England. We have managed to defeat them but the writing is on the wall. </p>
<p>I am interested in knowing if this law is going to be challenged and if so, who the driving forces are going to be. I&#8217;d like to monitor their progress and possibly assist if needed. </p>
<p>Best regards. </p>
<p>Excellent reading always here!</p>
<p>Paul Lancia</p>
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		By: Norman Gregory Fernandez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norman Gregory Fernandez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/no-more-after-market-pipes-in-california-in-2013-we-did-it-to-ourselves/#comment-4053&quot;&gt;walter martin&lt;/a&gt;.

Well Walter the said fact is that sometimes you have to eat something that you do not like. I have been involved with fighting this law for a long time. We got it from what was a mandatory smog bill, down to what it is now. It is now the law. There are obviously ways around the law, I have one of the legal ways.

With respect to cars, and trucks, I have to disagree with you my friend. The same EPA regulations that pertain to motorcycles, also pertain to cars. Here in California all cars have to pass a mandatory smog test every 2 years. We are talking a major inspection of the emissions systems. You may have heard that California has the most stringent requirements for emissions systems on cars and motorcycles, than anywhere else in the country.

There are California cars and motorcycles, and non-California cars and motorcycles. We cannot buy a new car in another State and bring it here, unless it meets California&#039;s requirements.

Another issue is that there is no way law enforcement would allow cars, pickups, or SUV&#039;s to run open headers, or at a sound that is close to some of the motorcycles I have heard. The sad truth is that we have been getting away with it for a long time. Heck when I was 17, I remember getting stopped for having open headers.

In closing, this law will be perfectly legal. So I am resigned to the fact that we will have to live within it, just like we did with helmet laws.

Now if a manufacturer comes out with an EPA certified muffler that happens to have removable or interchangeable baffles, or if someone in Hollywood starts to sell EPA stickers like they do with the beanie helmets well.........................................

Norm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bikerlawblog.com/no-more-after-market-pipes-in-california-in-2013-we-did-it-to-ourselves/#comment-4053">walter martin</a>.</p>
<p>Well Walter the said fact is that sometimes you have to eat something that you do not like. I have been involved with fighting this law for a long time. We got it from what was a mandatory smog bill, down to what it is now. It is now the law. There are obviously ways around the law, I have one of the legal ways.</p>
<p>With respect to cars, and trucks, I have to disagree with you my friend. The same EPA regulations that pertain to motorcycles, also pertain to cars. Here in California all cars have to pass a mandatory smog test every 2 years. We are talking a major inspection of the emissions systems. You may have heard that California has the most stringent requirements for emissions systems on cars and motorcycles, than anywhere else in the country.</p>
<p>There are California cars and motorcycles, and non-California cars and motorcycles. We cannot buy a new car in another State and bring it here, unless it meets California&#8217;s requirements.</p>
<p>Another issue is that there is no way law enforcement would allow cars, pickups, or SUV&#8217;s to run open headers, or at a sound that is close to some of the motorcycles I have heard. The sad truth is that we have been getting away with it for a long time. Heck when I was 17, I remember getting stopped for having open headers.</p>
<p>In closing, this law will be perfectly legal. So I am resigned to the fact that we will have to live within it, just like we did with helmet laws.</p>
<p>Now if a manufacturer comes out with an EPA certified muffler that happens to have removable or interchangeable baffles, or if someone in Hollywood starts to sell EPA stickers like they do with the beanie helmets well&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Norm</p>
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		By: walter martin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[walter martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Norm,
 This is messed up to say the least. Excuse my ignorance but, I&#039;m going to have to ask you to explain something to me. It seems like you&#039;ve rolled over on this one and resigned yourself to it. It seems out of character for you.
  Isn&#039;t this discrimination against a single group of motor vehicle users? We all know of, hear and or have modified exhust on our cages. What about cars, pick ups and trucks??  Isn&#039;t that reason to have it struck down? I&#039;ve heard of similar things happening.  Know what I&#039;m saying?
  Let me know your take on it.
     thanks, walt &quot;in the wind&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Norm,<br />
 This is messed up to say the least. Excuse my ignorance but, I&#8217;m going to have to ask you to explain something to me. It seems like you&#8217;ve rolled over on this one and resigned yourself to it. It seems out of character for you.<br />
  Isn&#8217;t this discrimination against a single group of motor vehicle users? We all know of, hear and or have modified exhust on our cages. What about cars, pick ups and trucks??  Isn&#8217;t that reason to have it struck down? I&#8217;ve heard of similar things happening.  Know what I&#8217;m saying?<br />
  Let me know your take on it.<br />
     thanks, walt &#8220;in the wind&#8221;</p>
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		By: Nils E. Tangedal		</title>
		<link>https://bikerlawblog.com/no-more-after-market-pipes-in-california-in-2013-we-did-it-to-ourselves/#comment-4029</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nils E. Tangedal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This calls for a Buford T. Justice quote:  &quot;That ain&#039;t nuthin but pure and simple ol&#039;fashion COMMUNISM&quot;.

Why do you put up with it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This calls for a Buford T. Justice quote:  &#8220;That ain&#8217;t nuthin but pure and simple ol&#8217;fashion COMMUNISM&#8221;.</p>
<p>Why do you put up with it?</p>
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		By: kathryn		</title>
		<link>https://bikerlawblog.com/no-more-after-market-pipes-in-california-in-2013-we-did-it-to-ourselves/#comment-3990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kathryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yea, well, we were seriously contiplating moving out of CA. anyway. This state has poor poor political ability and the laws that come up are so stupid without even the concern of what is really happening with issues, that are more important.
Next, they will have us dealing with a frigen seatbelt issue eh? What about THAT? Sometimes we are safer if we DON&#039;T fly off our bikes, right?
WTF?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, well, we were seriously contiplating moving out of CA. anyway. This state has poor poor political ability and the laws that come up are so stupid without even the concern of what is really happening with issues, that are more important.<br />
Next, they will have us dealing with a frigen seatbelt issue eh? What about THAT? Sometimes we are safer if we DON&#8217;T fly off our bikes, right?<br />
WTF?</p>
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		By: Sandie {Member}		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandie {Member}]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 03:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Too bad for you folks in California.  It is a shame that folks can&#039;t police themselves. You hit the nail on the head! I bet this new law is to control noise more than the environment.
I do not know too many folks right now who are looking to buy new anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad for you folks in California.  It is a shame that folks can&#8217;t police themselves. You hit the nail on the head! I bet this new law is to control noise more than the environment.<br />
I do not know too many folks right now who are looking to buy new anything.</p>
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