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		By: Chavella		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1008&quot;&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt;.

It is a private city, I live here. And the Not being able to ride the motorcycles here, is really not a big deal.]]></description>
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<p>It is a private city, I live here. And the Not being able to ride the motorcycles here, is really not a big deal.</p>
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		By: Norman Gregory Fernandez		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2017 11:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-186645&quot;&gt;Yvette Sandler&lt;/a&gt;.

There is no way I would live in a place that would tell me what I can and cannot drive. When I purchase a home, and I am operating a licensed California vehicle, I should be allowed to drive to and from my home with that vehicle. I can only imagine the other restrictions that are put on you guys. Do not buy a home in Canyon Lake.
Norm]]></description>
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<p>There is no way I would live in a place that would tell me what I can and cannot drive. When I purchase a home, and I am operating a licensed California vehicle, I should be allowed to drive to and from my home with that vehicle. I can only imagine the other restrictions that are put on you guys. Do not buy a home in Canyon Lake.<br />
Norm</p>
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		By: Yvette Sandler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2017 03:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a homeowner of many homes and rentals in Canyon Lake, let me just say that while I love riding motorcycles, I don&#039;t love the noise they make and liability they create for the rest of us. Due to the wreckless and irresponsible driving habits of previous motorcycle/homeowners, we decided that we would all be happier without them in our community. We do enjoy our beautiful lake, golf course, lodge, swimming pools, many parks, amazing activities, equestrian center, parades and dozes of events each year, just to name a few.  Say what you will about this community, but we love it, it is unlike any other and we are blessed to call it home. Rarely does a weekend go by that we don&#039;t run into a famous celebrity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a homeowner of many homes and rentals in Canyon Lake, let me just say that while I love riding motorcycles, I don&#8217;t love the noise they make and liability they create for the rest of us. Due to the wreckless and irresponsible driving habits of previous motorcycle/homeowners, we decided that we would all be happier without them in our community. We do enjoy our beautiful lake, golf course, lodge, swimming pools, many parks, amazing activities, equestrian center, parades and dozes of events each year, just to name a few.  Say what you will about this community, but we love it, it is unlike any other and we are blessed to call it home. Rarely does a weekend go by that we don&#8217;t run into a famous celebrity.</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2016 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can understand the ban based on my visit there yesterday. It has the feel of a retirement community. Outdated country club and lodge, kind of had a ghetto fabulous feel to it. Sorry, I don&#039;t get it. Small little lake with 4800 homes crammed around it. No thanks, keep your ban suckers! I suggested riding on past this podunk farce for lake front property!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand the ban based on my visit there yesterday. It has the feel of a retirement community. Outdated country club and lodge, kind of had a ghetto fabulous feel to it. Sorry, I don&#8217;t get it. Small little lake with 4800 homes crammed around it. No thanks, keep your ban suckers! I suggested riding on past this podunk farce for lake front property!</p>
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		By: Kelly Bastman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would think that motorcycles, being legal means of transportation, would be the difference, no?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that motorcycles, being legal means of transportation, would be the difference, no?</p>
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		By: alpental		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 22:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking at buying a house in Canyon Lake right now and as a MC owner, this is a pretty big deal breaker.  Unfortunately, personal transportation choice isn&#039;t a federally or state-protected class, so I can&#039;t see a lawsuit being successful. 

Federally protected classes include race, color, religion, national origin, age, sex, pregnancy, citizenship, familial status, veteran status, disability status, and genetic information.  California adds a few additional protections such as sexual orientation but nothing about MCs.

Maybe I&#039;ll move there and use a golf cart to get from the MC parking area to my house... a golf cart with an LS-1 swap with straight pipes!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking at buying a house in Canyon Lake right now and as a MC owner, this is a pretty big deal breaker.  Unfortunately, personal transportation choice isn&#8217;t a federally or state-protected class, so I can&#8217;t see a lawsuit being successful. </p>
<p>Federally protected classes include race, color, religion, national origin, age, sex, pregnancy, citizenship, familial status, veteran status, disability status, and genetic information.  California adds a few additional protections such as sexual orientation but nothing about MCs.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll move there and use a golf cart to get from the MC parking area to my house&#8230; a golf cart with an LS-1 swap with straight pipes!</p>
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		By: Alida Betts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2014 05:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I bought a home in here, July 2014, and knew they didn&#039;t allow motorcycles on the streets. They also have an equestrian center for owners/residents to keep their horses at. NO horses are allowed on the STREETS, therefore you can&#039;t take your horse to your home, yard, etc. You can trailer them in and take them straight to the equestrian boarding facility/riding arenas/trails.

They DO allow gasoline AND electric golf carts to be driven on the roads, and while they allow water skiing and jet boats, they don&#039;t allow jet skis ( we sold ours).

IT&#039;s a private community, and we each have ONE vote at the POA( Property owners association). The speed limit is 35 on the main thoroughfare, and 25 on the side streets. The HOMEOWNER also gets the 200.00 speeding ticket, on ANYONE they call through the gates, carpet cleaners, tow truck, pizza delivery boy. It&#039;s  amazing but 4300 homes are here, lived in, cared for, and sought after. One also has to have a &quot;sticker&quot; on every car and golf cart they have in here, AND carry a POA card to fish, use the pool, lake, tennis courts, golf course, etc. 

Since when is riding a horse, motorcycle or jet ski a &quot;fundamental right&quot;? Motorcycles OFTEN make enough noise to be in competition with a jet at take off and I don&#039;t miss them. When the homeowners who WANT motorcycles outvote those who don&#039;t, I&#039;m certain they will be allowed. Same with the horses. Same with the jetskis. They also have restrictions on the length of the boats allowed on the lake. 

I don&#039;t see the constitutional argument FOR riding a motorcycle in a private, non public street community. Enlighten me. 

Alida Marie Betts, Juris Doctorate of Law...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a home in here, July 2014, and knew they didn&#8217;t allow motorcycles on the streets. They also have an equestrian center for owners/residents to keep their horses at. NO horses are allowed on the STREETS, therefore you can&#8217;t take your horse to your home, yard, etc. You can trailer them in and take them straight to the equestrian boarding facility/riding arenas/trails.</p>
<p>They DO allow gasoline AND electric golf carts to be driven on the roads, and while they allow water skiing and jet boats, they don&#8217;t allow jet skis ( we sold ours).</p>
<p>IT&#8217;s a private community, and we each have ONE vote at the POA( Property owners association). The speed limit is 35 on the main thoroughfare, and 25 on the side streets. The HOMEOWNER also gets the 200.00 speeding ticket, on ANYONE they call through the gates, carpet cleaners, tow truck, pizza delivery boy. It&#8217;s  amazing but 4300 homes are here, lived in, cared for, and sought after. One also has to have a &#8220;sticker&#8221; on every car and golf cart they have in here, AND carry a POA card to fish, use the pool, lake, tennis courts, golf course, etc. </p>
<p>Since when is riding a horse, motorcycle or jet ski a &#8220;fundamental right&#8221;? Motorcycles OFTEN make enough noise to be in competition with a jet at take off and I don&#8217;t miss them. When the homeowners who WANT motorcycles outvote those who don&#8217;t, I&#8217;m certain they will be allowed. Same with the horses. Same with the jetskis. They also have restrictions on the length of the boats allowed on the lake. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the constitutional argument FOR riding a motorcycle in a private, non public street community. Enlighten me. </p>
<p>Alida Marie Betts, Juris Doctorate of Law&#8230;</p>
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		By: Skip92807		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking to move out to Canyon Lake after my youngest graduates high school and have several friends who already live there.  I think the issue comes from the noise that most motorcycles create.  Given that I haven&#039;t seen any posts touting the success of any lawsuit, I&#039;m guessing the HOA&#039;s banning cycles are still in effect.  They also ban personal water craft, i.e. jet skis, on the lake.  Seriously doubt any negligible effect on property value.  Lake Elsinore doesn&#039;t have CCR&#039;s and values are about half that of Canyon Lake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking to move out to Canyon Lake after my youngest graduates high school and have several friends who already live there.  I think the issue comes from the noise that most motorcycles create.  Given that I haven&#8217;t seen any posts touting the success of any lawsuit, I&#8217;m guessing the HOA&#8217;s banning cycles are still in effect.  They also ban personal water craft, i.e. jet skis, on the lake.  Seriously doubt any negligible effect on property value.  Lake Elsinore doesn&#8217;t have CCR&#8217;s and values are about half that of Canyon Lake.</p>
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		By: Norman Gregory Fernandez		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 00:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-116294&quot;&gt;commentator&lt;/a&gt;.

I am sure the police are exempt from the ordinance.

Norm]]></description>
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<p>I am sure the police are exempt from the ordinance.</p>
<p>Norm</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 05:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1408&quot;&gt;Norman Gregory Fernandez&lt;/a&gt;.

Norm, I know it has been few years from your post....but what would they be able to do if the police visits them...say on motorcycles?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1408">Norman Gregory Fernandez</a>.</p>
<p>Norm, I know it has been few years from your post&#8230;.but what would they be able to do if the police visits them&#8230;say on motorcycles?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 05:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1399&quot;&gt;Norman Gregory Fernandez&lt;/a&gt;.

i am pretty sure they are ashamed...but they will never admit it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1399">Norman Gregory Fernandez</a>.</p>
<p>i am pretty sure they are ashamed&#8230;but they will never admit it</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 05:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1402&quot;&gt;PC14&lt;/a&gt;.

the point is, such a requirement that &quot;they will not be able to ride a motorcycle&quot; should never be presented. it is like saying that you won&#039;t be able to have blue skin or any other color of your choice. simply put it is a discrimination in its pure form. ...and deadly dangerous pitbulls and such can still freely walk on the streets and terrorize people with their tough(i mean pussy) owners smiling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1402">PC14</a>.</p>
<p>the point is, such a requirement that &#8220;they will not be able to ride a motorcycle&#8221; should never be presented. it is like saying that you won&#8217;t be able to have blue skin or any other color of your choice. simply put it is a discrimination in its pure form. &#8230;and deadly dangerous pitbulls and such can still freely walk on the streets and terrorize people with their tough(i mean pussy) owners smiling.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 05:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1398&quot;&gt;PC14&lt;/a&gt;.

let&#039;s build other communities, better than that lake something, that allow only motorcycles and ban cars]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bikerlawblog.com/brain-dead-in-canyon-lake-ca-who-would-w/#comment-1398">PC14</a>.</p>
<p>let&#8217;s build other communities, better than that lake something, that allow only motorcycles and ban cars</p>
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		By: Norman Gregory Fernandez		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well it is analogous to the majority of voters back in the 50&#039;s- early 60&#039;s here in Southern California that allowed laws prohibiting people of a certain race to be excluded from purchasing real estate via covenants. Such covenants were struck down as being unconstitutional even though the majority of voters supported them.&lt;br /&gt;
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You see, the constitution exists to protect the few from the many when they seek to violate the minorities constitutional rights.&lt;br /&gt;
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Good thing there are judges to protect us from the many, when the many want to violate the constitution. You should maybe try going to school and learning about the United States Constitution and why it was enacted.&lt;br /&gt;
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You are buying too much into that conservative line of bullshit that has almost destroyed our nation.&lt;br /&gt;
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You forgot to mention the vacant houses that dot Canyon Lake! &lt;br /&gt;
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In my area, the prices have remained the same, imagine that. We don&#039;t discriminate against anyone. Imagine that!&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to have the last word with you via this post. Let&#039;s agree to disagree until a Court or common sense changes the discriminatory practices of Canyon Lake.&lt;br /&gt;
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Norm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it is analogous to the majority of voters back in the 50&#8217;s- early 60&#8217;s here in Southern California that allowed laws prohibiting people of a certain race to be excluded from purchasing real estate via covenants. Such covenants were struck down as being unconstitutional even though the majority of voters supported them.</p>
<p>You see, the constitution exists to protect the few from the many when they seek to violate the minorities constitutional rights.</p>
<p>Good thing there are judges to protect us from the many, when the many want to violate the constitution. You should maybe try going to school and learning about the United States Constitution and why it was enacted.</p>
<p>You are buying too much into that conservative line of bullshit that has almost destroyed our nation.</p>
<p>You forgot to mention the vacant houses that dot Canyon Lake! </p>
<p>In my area, the prices have remained the same, imagine that. We don&#8217;t discriminate against anyone. Imagine that!</p>
<p>I am going to have the last word with you via this post. Let&#8217;s agree to disagree until a Court or common sense changes the discriminatory practices of Canyon Lake.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No I did not miss the point. I understand that buyers are given and read the CC&#038;R&#039;s when purchasing. I have gone up against many homeowners associations like yours who violate the law and/or discriminate against certain homeowners all over Southern California. I know the drill.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just because the homeowners vote on something, or the board makes some kind of decision, does not make it legal. In 100% of the Homeowners cases that I have taken on, I have won for my clients. &lt;br /&gt;
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I will not discuss any impending legal action against your HOA.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have read the previous Court papers against your HOA. Fortunately for you, in my opinion the previous legal actions were done all wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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I would do them in Federal Court, under theories that have not been argued in your previous cases because there are constitutional issues involved. I would not do my case in State Court.&lt;br /&gt;
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You don&#039;t seem to realize that in some cases a majority cannot violate the constitutional rights of the minority, even if it is voted on. That is why we have a constitution, to protect the rights of the minority when people like you would usurp those rights.&lt;br /&gt;
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You know full well you are being impacted monetarily. Your property values have gone way down, you have substantial vacant houses, and after motorcyclist read my article about your ban on motorcycles, they will probably not be buying houses in your community. You have shut out an entire affluent market of home buyers. Have you read the income demographics for Harley Davidson owners?&lt;br /&gt;
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In any case watch your vacant houses increase, and your home values decrease, as you ban a whole sector of potential buyers from Canyon Lake. If it were my equity on the line I would probably be more reasonable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Norm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I did not miss the point. I understand that buyers are given and read the CC&amp;R&#8217;s when purchasing. I have gone up against many homeowners associations like yours who violate the law and/or discriminate against certain homeowners all over Southern California. I know the drill.</p>
<p>Just because the homeowners vote on something, or the board makes some kind of decision, does not make it legal. In 100% of the Homeowners cases that I have taken on, I have won for my clients. </p>
<p>I will not discuss any impending legal action against your HOA.</p>
<p>I have read the previous Court papers against your HOA. Fortunately for you, in my opinion the previous legal actions were done all wrong.</p>
<p>I would do them in Federal Court, under theories that have not been argued in your previous cases because there are constitutional issues involved. I would not do my case in State Court.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t seem to realize that in some cases a majority cannot violate the constitutional rights of the minority, even if it is voted on. That is why we have a constitution, to protect the rights of the minority when people like you would usurp those rights.</p>
<p>You know full well you are being impacted monetarily. Your property values have gone way down, you have substantial vacant houses, and after motorcyclist read my article about your ban on motorcycles, they will probably not be buying houses in your community. You have shut out an entire affluent market of home buyers. Have you read the income demographics for Harley Davidson owners?</p>
<p>In any case watch your vacant houses increase, and your home values decrease, as you ban a whole sector of potential buyers from Canyon Lake. If it were my equity on the line I would probably be more reasonable.</p>
<p>Norm</p>
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